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	<title>Comments on: CAN A AUTO DEALER SELL YOU A CAR WITHOUT DISCLOSING A SALVAGE/TOTAL LOSS/REBUILT TITLE? PLEASE READ AND ANSWER?</title>
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		<title>By: zealot144</title>
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		<dc:creator>zealot144</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to your first question:

&quot;CAN A AUTO DEALER SELL YOU A CAR WITHOUT DISCLOSING A SALVAGE/TOTAL LOSS/REBUILT TITLE? PLEASE READ AND ANSWER?&quot;

Is YES, he can.

Is he legally required to disclose this, in writing, with your signature?

ABSOLUTELY!

CAN he misrepresent the vehicle and get away with it?  What you describe is FRAUD (I am a car dealer also, with over two decades experience, and this is fraud.  I know a cop who unwound a deal from a major dealer by threatening to charge managers with fraudulent schemes.  What happened here is not civil, it is a CRIME.  If the title status was unknown by the seller [unlikely], then the only legal answer to your question about a clean title would have been &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot;).  

IF the dealer failed to represent the branded title status of the car in writing to you, then verbal representations are meaningless.  HE is on the defensive.  The burden of proof rests with HIM.

This is the law.  In every state.  This is Federal.  Misrepresentation of any product is an FTC issue.

BUT, in practical reality, YOU must bring the case and pay to represent it.  IF you have the resources, you could cost the dealer his license.  He won&#039;t want that.

Bottom line, look the car over carefully.  Apparently, you traveled a bit to get a bargain.  Balance the bargain you got against the vehicle you now have.  If the deal was good enough , and the car is good enough (not all salvage titles are bad cars), lay the whole thing to rest.  If the car is crap, and you feel you paid too much, pick up the phone and call the dealer.  Be calm, and allow him to admit to a mistake.  Ask for a refund, or an adjustment to the price you paid in view of the title problem.  If you got a good car, the title branding does not erase the value of the car as transportation.  Don&#039;t be pissed off, but be firm.  Anger always invokes anger.  Be calm and businesslike.  It could be that the dealer is not aware of the title problem and is willing to give your money back, or make an adjustment.  

If that happens, the ball is in your court.

If the dealer blows you off, go to motor vehicle and file a complaint.  If you financed any portion of the purchase, call the bank.  Raise some hell.  If none of this works, find a good attorney.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to your first question:</p>
<p>&quot;CAN A AUTO DEALER SELL YOU A CAR WITHOUT DISCLOSING A SALVAGE/TOTAL LOSS/REBUILT TITLE? PLEASE READ AND ANSWER?&quot;</p>
<p>Is YES, he can.</p>
<p>Is he legally required to disclose this, in writing, with your signature?</p>
<p>ABSOLUTELY!</p>
<p>CAN he misrepresent the vehicle and get away with it?  What you describe is FRAUD (I am a car dealer also, with over two decades experience, and this is fraud.  I know a cop who unwound a deal from a major dealer by threatening to charge managers with fraudulent schemes.  What happened here is not civil, it is a CRIME.  If the title status was unknown by the seller [unlikely], then the only legal answer to your question about a clean title would have been &quot;I don&#8217;t know&quot;).  </p>
<p>IF the dealer failed to represent the branded title status of the car in writing to you, then verbal representations are meaningless.  HE is on the defensive.  The burden of proof rests with HIM.</p>
<p>This is the law.  In every state.  This is Federal.  Misrepresentation of any product is an FTC issue.</p>
<p>BUT, in practical reality, YOU must bring the case and pay to represent it.  IF you have the resources, you could cost the dealer his license.  He won&#8217;t want that.</p>
<p>Bottom line, look the car over carefully.  Apparently, you traveled a bit to get a bargain.  Balance the bargain you got against the vehicle you now have.  If the deal was good enough , and the car is good enough (not all salvage titles are bad cars), lay the whole thing to rest.  If the car is crap, and you feel you paid too much, pick up the phone and call the dealer.  Be calm, and allow him to admit to a mistake.  Ask for a refund, or an adjustment to the price you paid in view of the title problem.  If you got a good car, the title branding does not erase the value of the car as transportation.  Don&#8217;t be pissed off, but be firm.  Anger always invokes anger.  Be calm and businesslike.  It could be that the dealer is not aware of the title problem and is willing to give your money back, or make an adjustment.  </p>
<p>If that happens, the ball is in your court.</p>
<p>If the dealer blows you off, go to motor vehicle and file a complaint.  If you financed any portion of the purchase, call the bank.  Raise some hell.  If none of this works, find a good attorney.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Immanuel A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Immanuel A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you need a new car. :) I found a huge list of Oregon car dealers. I think someone in your town can help assist you. http://www.localnewcar.com/Oregon-New-Cars.html Just phone one of them or drop by one day when you are not busy. Some car dealers can even setup a test drive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you need a new car. <img src='http://www.auctionshoppy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I found a huge list of Oregon car dealers. I think someone in your town can help assist you. <a href="http://www.localnewcar.com/Oregon-New-Cars.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.localnewcar.com/Oregon-New-Cars.html</a> Just phone one of them or drop by one day when you are not busy. Some car dealers can even setup a test drive.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: I love My hubby</title>
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		<dc:creator>I love My hubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This happened to  me two months ago. He had to give me my money back and he did. He told me he didn&#039;t know. And if I wanted a different car and I told him hel...No.. Call him and tell him you want your money back and money for you having to go all the way down there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happened to  me two months ago. He had to give me my money back and he did. He told me he didn&#8217;t know. And if I wanted a different car and I told him hel&#8230;No.. Call him and tell him you want your money back and money for you having to go all the way down there.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: timothy p</title>
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		<dc:creator>timothy p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salvage titles and rebuilt titles must be disclosed at purchase.  The craigslist add stated clean title anyway.  Save the print from craigslist and return the car.  If they do not refund your money then sue them.  You should win with the info you have.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salvage titles and rebuilt titles must be disclosed at purchase.  The craigslist add stated clean title anyway.  Save the print from craigslist and return the car.  If they do not refund your money then sue them.  You should win with the info you have.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
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		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you get it in writing that it had a clean title ?

Still, a previous salvage title should have been disclosed.

All you can really do is ask for your money back and tell him you are going to sue if he doesnt give it to you.

Then you will have to sue.

I was a car dealer for 15+ years and I never dared selling a previous salvage car without telling someone because everyone told me is a sure-fire lawsuit. And I didnt want that.

Now, if he bought at a real rinky dink auction, its possible he didnt know. (Most bigger auctions know and disclose previous salvage)

So if he knew and didnt disclose, I would say you have an 80-90% chance of winning in court.

lieing isnt a word. But verbal representations are meaningless.

Your lawsuit is not about &quot;lieing&quot; its about the dealer failing to disclose in writing a previous salvage title when he knew.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you get it in writing that it had a clean title ?</p>
<p>Still, a previous salvage title should have been disclosed.</p>
<p>All you can really do is ask for your money back and tell him you are going to sue if he doesnt give it to you.</p>
<p>Then you will have to sue.</p>
<p>I was a car dealer for 15+ years and I never dared selling a previous salvage car without telling someone because everyone told me is a sure-fire lawsuit. And I didnt want that.</p>
<p>Now, if he bought at a real rinky dink auction, its possible he didnt know. (Most bigger auctions know and disclose previous salvage)</p>
<p>So if he knew and didnt disclose, I would say you have an 80-90% chance of winning in court.</p>
<p>lieing isnt a word. But verbal representations are meaningless.</p>
<p>Your lawsuit is not about &quot;lieing&quot; its about the dealer failing to disclose in writing a previous salvage title when he knew.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: leung</title>
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		<dc:creator>leung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hope this can help!
          
http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/vehiclevesseldealer/dlrlocations.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hope this can help!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/vehiclevesseldealer/dlrlocations.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/vehiclevesseldealer/dlrlocations.html</a><br /><b>References : </b></p>
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